In today’s episode we’re talking about the pressure to be high vibe and how it relates to life in general. And also to the spiritual journey specifically. We also touch on a few other topics like playing with pendulum and pulling tarot cards. We hope you like it.
Dani: Okay, cool. So, we’ve been talking about how we’re gonna organize these things and what is the best thing to do. I think where we landed, you guys correct me if I’m wrong, is that we pull up a topic of interest or something we’d like to talk about and then we all throw it out there and see what sticks. So, we might cover three topics for a few minutes each or we might pick one and just run with it and save the others for some other time or something. What do you guys think? Does that good? Then, maybe even a little card-pull at the beginning to get us on our way and give us some words of wisdom. Give us a couple minutes to pull in some Spirit help because we all know that whatever we’re coming up in our minds is not near as powerful as Spirit wants to come through. So, what comes from us is different than what comes through us. I think sometimes connecting with the cards is that reminder from Spirit. Like, “Oh this is the track. This is what it feels like.” If you can stay close to there then boy, you’re gonna be in great shape.
Natalie: Yeah.That sounds good to me. I’m in.
Dani: I think of Natalie as our resident card-puller, for sure.
Natalie: Oh no! I can’t do it on demand.
Dani: You can’t?
Natalie: I don’t know. We’ll see. I shall try. You’re going to have to talk between yourselves while I do it.
Dani: I think it’s awesome. It’s part of it. Like, how do you do it? Do you want to narrate it for us? No, you don’t want to. That’s okay. You don’t have to.
Natalie: No, I’m just thinking. I’m blushing even. How I do it is… It’s made very clear to me which card it should be because it literally flies out of the pack. I don’t generally pick one. They just come flinging. So, it’s quite simple.
Candace: So you just shuffle until one flies out?
Natalie: Yeah.
Dani: But what’s your process like? Because there’s all kinds of things that you’re doing that you take for granted.
Natalie: Okay.
Dani: How do you do it? What do you say? What’s going on in your mind? Are you saying a prayer? Are you setting an intention? Are you doing a meditation What are you doing?
Natalie: Well, see I tried to pull one before we got on but I was all scattered. It’s funny because we were saying on the messages before… Dani was like “Oh I’m not sure how Natalie will be” and as soon as I get on, my vibe goes “yay” and that’s why I really needed it. I was like, “I can’t not have this call today because I’m relying on it.” I do not want to wallow in my sorrows.
I tried to pull one but one didn’t fly out so we shall see if one flies out for us today. I set the intention. I normally just try and feel into the energy of what it is or who it’s for. Then, I set the intention sort of to say I want to receive a card for guidance for whoever or… Like, what does whoever need to know today? So, today I asked for a call for Trifecta, which is our little name, but maybe instead I should ask for a card for guidance on what we should talk about. What should we talk about on the podcast today? We shall see.
One just came very high out so I’m already guided. Oh, this is fun! I haven’t had this one before so I don’t even know what it means. You see it’s that quick. That usually happens. So As soon as I ask the right question, it flings. Sometimes I can be waiting but that’s because it’s the wrong question.
The card is “Reward yourself”. “You’ve been giving a lot of yourself lately and it’s time for you to receive. Make the time to reward yourself in a meaningful way. This balance of giving and receiving is essential to keeping your energy, mood, and motivation at a consistently high level. You drew this card because it’s time to reward yourself for all of your hard work. Everyone needs rewards and you are no exception. A treat will boost your energy, mood, and motivation. Invest in yourself and make time for self-care today. Give yourself a much-desired item, trip, or service and notice how your inner child blooms with joy from this loving attention. Addition meanings are, take the day off from work. Splurge on a treat. Balance giving with receiving. Make sure you’re allowing yourself to receive and appreciate all you have done.”
It’s funny because we keep getting this card about giving and receiving. Also, before we got on the call I was like, “What do I want to talk about today?” So I wrote three things down. One was “pressure to feel high-vibe” and I feel like it said something about that in there.
Candace: It’s hard to say if you’re not… If you’re closed to receiving you can’t maintain that high vibe.
Natalie: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Exactly. Keeping your energy, mood, and motivation consistently high level so maintain a high vibe so that’s something. Then about the other thing I wrote was who we want to be. I’ve forgotten now when I was reading it but there was another thing in there that I was like, “Oh yeah. That’s another thing as well.” Oh yeah, and getting together. Everything we talked about before we pulled the card which was I wanted to have this… I needed that for my high vibe-ness. This was my gift to myself, our time together.
Candace: Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Natalie: So, yeah. I like it.
Dani: Yeah, I think that’s awesome. Thank you, Natalie. I love how the giving and receiving has been coming up again and again. You pulled a card for Candace the other day and it was emphasizing the giving and the receiving like, sure, you give a lot but you need to open yourself up to receiving too.
Candace: And that was the second time that that exact card had come.
Dani: Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Candace: Yeah, yeah.
Natalie: You’re not getting it, girls, but I’m gonna give you this card until you get it.
Dani: It’s so funny because I was doing some free writing a couple of weeks ago and Spirit was like, “blah blah blah” and it said something and it was like, “Yeah, we know you’ve heard it before. We will stop saying it when you finally incorporate it.” Like, “When you finally really get it, we’ll shut up about it. Deal?” Okay, you just agree? Which, I love so much. We do, we need to hear it again and again because we’ve got all the tapes playing again and again. So, how do we get out of it to do that?
Okay. So, the pressure to feel high-vibe. I feel like it is an awesome topic. What about you Candace? What do you think about?
Candace: What I was thinking about is probably in line with what Natalie was saying about how to stay high vibe and then, in relation to that, what my expectations are of myself and what my beliefs are. That ties in to the superstition also. What the beliefs are about… I guess my connection to Spirit and my… I don’t know what the right word is. So, if I am having a rough morning, then I feel like I can’t connect with Spirit. I feel like I can’t connect to my intuition. I feel like I don’t want to see people, that I don’t want to do anything to raise my vibration because I just wanna be angry a little while. All of that has been changing and shifting for me so it’s not necessarily something that I really believe anymore but it’s still a habit. So, I was thinking about those things and talking about belief, habit, truth, expectation.
Dani: We went from this thing to this huge revelation. We talked about that for three months. I love that. You guys are both vibing on this pressure to feel high vibe for all kinds of different reasons. Let’s start with that. Let’s start with that and see where it goes. Is that cool with you guys?
Candace: Yeah, sounds good.
Dani: Okay, cool. Candace, sometimes I feel the same way. I feel like I am pinching myself off from Spirit by feeling frustration or by getting irritation or by getting any of the lower vibe things. Then there’s another part of me that says that when I am at my most desperate and in-need, then Spirit is still there for me so how am I not recognizing it? What I feel like the difference is that Spirit’s always there, it’s just are we keeping ourselves from the communication and is it a story that we have to be high vibe or is that reality? Is that really true?
Candace: Right. I think that you said something to describe it perfectly the other day. Am I pinching myself off from it? When you said that, I was like, “Oh, that’s good.”
Dani: Yeah.
Candace: Because you gave the visual. I’m closing that and nothing’s getting in. Obviously, not realizing that we’re doing it.
Dani: Yeah. I just have this belief that there’s this stream of wellbeing is everywhere. The stream of wellbeing abounds. The abundance and the security and the beauty of nature and the diversity, all of it. What do we really need to live? We need air. How abundant is our air? Our air is everywhere. We don’t have to worry about, “Am I gonna catch that next breath” or whatever. It’s seeing all this abundance. Then when we’re pinching ourselves off it’s like, “I want this and I can’t have it” or we get these little bitty ideas of, for example, what abundance is. Which is, how much money’s in my bank account right now? Abundance can be how many blades of grass are there? How much air is there to breathe? How many leaves on the trees? Right?
Candace: Right.
Dani: Perspective is so important. What do you think Natalie?
Natalie: My brain did about ten different things when you were talking so I don’t know if any of it… I’m probably just gonna contradict myself a lot. It was a couple of things. I can remember once somebody saying that when you talk to Spirit, your Spirit team will have to lower their vibration and you have to up your vibration so that you’re then on the same frequency. That would imply that when you’re low vibe, they’re not gonna reach you. Then, people who are low vibe will have… You will have been low vibe and you will have been able to receive messages so I guess the thing is that doesn’t really make sense. But I like it. I like the idea of it.
The other thing that came to me was I don’t think it’s that… Do I think that it’s that you can’t or not? I don’t know what I think but my point is that maybe it’s that actually there are times when you have to do it alone to learn the lesson. You need to feel the trust. I don’t know how to word it because my brain’s doing ten million things at once but it’s basically you need to have the trust and faith. When you’re high vibe, you don’t really need that. It’s just another time for you to experience that lesson to enable you to reach the higher goal.
The other thing… It reminds me a bit of my trust or fear spectrum. We all that spectrum of things that we deal with in our life. Mine is trust or fear. I need to feel the shadow of the fear to get to the next level of trust, to feel the higher level of trust. Is it that you need to feel the low vibe to then be able to reach the next level of high vibe?
Anyway, I don’t know if any of that was coherent but there are so many thoughts going on in my head. That’s all I’ve got.
Candace: No, I think that was totally coherent.
Natalie: Thank you.
Candace: Totally coherent. It’s almost two opposing beliefs or ideas about it. You need it in order to get to the next level and raise your vibration that much more. Then there’s the opposite side where it’s like, is it just a story? Is it just a story that you tell yourself that Spirit has to lower their vibration and you have to raise yours and if you can’t raise yours to that level you can’t talk to them?
Also, what about the notion that you are God? So, if you are Spirit, then you’re always operating on the same frequency as it anyway. I don’t know.
Candace: You’re already connected no matter what your frequency is.
Natalie: Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Dani: I love that. So, just the other day I was having an experience where I felt that, Natalie. I felt what I would traditionally call low vibe. Frustration was my general feeling of the moment. Running errands, got a call, needed to go pick up my son because of course he was done early, unexpectedly. I was across town. Irritation, frustration. That’s when you hit every red light, right? It was funny because I’ve been doing a lot of intention-setting around being more aware. When I’m connected, when I’m not. When I’m following divine guidance and when I’m not. Even in that moment of frustration, I felt that I was connected 100% still. It’s one of the few times I can ever remember feeling both at the same time.
Normally, I completely relate being with Spirit certainly to do my channeling and I’m new to channeling. Maybe I can channel all kinds of different things when I go in, when I really need something. For now, though, how it works right now if I go sit down to do some free writing or to contact Spirit and I’m in a place of desperation or graspiness, nothing comes to me. Nothing comes to me. I totally honor what you said, Natalie, and I know that to be true too. It’s sometimes that we’re all our deepest and darkest and Spirit will say something or we’ll get that confirmation that it’s gonna be okay or whatever that message is that we need. I don’t know how to balance out the two other than it shows me again and again and again that we will never know the answer to so many of these questions and that we do have finite minds and an infinite intelligence that we’re dealing with. If we are God, which I believe we all are, God is all of us, then that just brings a whole other layer of complexity to it because we’re God but we’re also having a human experience. We’re full-blown Spirit having a spiritual experience. We do have some limitations in our mind as far as what we can accept and what we can process and what we can understand.
That’s another reason I feel like the journey from fear to faith is so important. Natalie you are already hitting on again, right? That journey is so important because we have to have faith because we can see so little of the picture that what we have to do is make up stories for what we believe to be true and we wanna make up the stories that empower us the most, that empower us to have a better life, that empower us to be able to follow spirit, that empower us to do whatever. I think it’s a fascinating question and sometimes it’s like we can talk about it and dig into it and it’s fascinating but at the same time, I don’t know. Other than experiencing and experimenting and trying different things. Who the hell knows? I just love it. I don’t know either. That’s the answer I have.
I have no idea because I’ve gotten that feeling definitely and maybe even channeled things that talked about Spirit being at that level. Maybe that’s just for the direct channeling when I’m letting Spirit absolutely come through me, those are the times I need to raise my vibe. The thing is, we wanna live that way, right? So, I don’t wanna just sit down and do the paper and have Spirit come through and write a poem or write some advice for myself or some wisdom or something. I wanna live that way all the time. There again it’s like do I have to be high vibe all the time or what?
Candace: Absolutely. What were you thinking Natalie?
Natalie: My brain is going ten thousand miles an hour.
Candace: I could see that. I really wish that I could have little x-ray goggles to see what’s going on in there.
Dani: I know right.
Natalie: I don’t even know what I think of this anymore. I’m so confused. I don’t know. Part of me is going… When you’re in that place, do we shut ourselves off from it? Is it there? Is it there but are we literally shutting it off? So, it’s nothing to do with frequency, it’s just we are in our human mess, not actually able to hear it.
Candace: I think that that feels accurate.
Dani: Yes. That’s what I believe. We’re still in the same quandary. What do I need to do to hear it? Do I need to be high vibe to hear it? Right?
Candace: Alright.
Dani: We’re here again, right?
Candace: Cycle again. I almost feel like… So far in this conversation I’ve come to a new understanding or a new belief or a new story about connecting to Spirit and intuition and high vibe and low vibe but it’s created all of these other questions that I didn’t have before.
Dani: Yes, yes. That is the nature of human evolution and of understanding. We have way more questions now than the cavemen had. As we evolve as individuals, as a society, everything. The collective unconscious gets all these new things. We get all these new things. There’s so many more questions. Anything really good that you learn… You’ll learn something and then you have ten thousand more questions. That’s part of the beauty of it. I feel like that’s a big part, Candace, of this explosion that we’ve had. After the industrial revolution and all of that, right? Now with technology and everything they say all the knowledge is growing exponentially. If you took all the knowledge in the whole world and you put a number to it, that number is growing exponentially every single few years. It explodes.
Candace: Right.
Dani: I think that’s exactly why because as soon as you figure out one little thing or you get one little idea, then something goes off, right?
Candace: Right. Right. Expansion.
Dani: Yes! That’s why it’s fun to be alive, man. Because there’s always more questions.
Candace: There is. I love having questions and I love being curious but at the same time it can be really frustrating.
Natalie: It’s exhausting
Candace: It’s this constant quest to find the answers and then I think that I get it and then, like we just said, there’s all of these other questions. It’s this constant cycling. I guess is just life. It’s a constant problem.
Dani: I think it really is. It’s so funny because for so long I was in to so many of these intellectual pursuits of things that don’t necessarily have an answer. Are we preordained? Is there a plan? Do we have free will? The only freaking answer is BOTH. As soon as you talk yourself into one or the other, you realize it can only be both but you have to back up so far from it and have such an expanded view before you can even begin to understand how they can both be possible in the same space RIght?.
Natalie: I felt a little bit like that yesterday when we were penduluming. There were two answers. Before I was like yes or no because that’s how pendulums work but I was actually like no, there are a multitude of options here and the reason it’s not clear is because it does depend, to an extent, on free will.
Candace: Yeah. Choosing-
Dani: Yes! Anytime your using pendulum for prediction. I love that. For the particular questions like, I got a wobbly yes. So, you could go either way but I got a wobbly yes. I haven’t decided yet but isn’t that so beautiful? I love you and pendulum, Natalie, too because it magnifies for me that- Now we’re gonna talk about pendulum, right? With the pendulum, it’s the quality of the question. It forces us to be very specific and very intentional about how we’re asking and what we’re asking. That’s one of the things I love about pendulum. I’ve come to love it. At first, I freaking hated it because I was like, “What am I doing wrong? I don’t understand!” Look at my pendulum. Just tell me the freaking answer. I’m coming to you because I need to know. Tell me the freaking answer.
Candace: But that says it all, right? Because five minutes ago you were saying “If I come to Spirit with desperation, I get nothing.”
Dani: Yeah. It’s absolutely, positively true. It was the same way with the pendulum and that’s why the pendulum frustrated me was because the only time I went to pendulum was because I was desperate for it. I think, like what you did Candace the other day, “Hey, you guys do pendulum for it and see if you get something” because sometimes we get in our own way. We don’t realize when that’s necessarily happening. It’s so nice to have a two out of three.
Natalie: It’s nice when they match.
Dani: Yes!
Yeah, exactly. Something you didn’t necessarily want to hear but you’re going to anyway just to confirm.
Candace: Like it or not, here it is.
Dani: Okay so, what I think about the whole… Getting back to this whole question of do we have to be high vibe to get messages from Spirit, I don’t have the answer.
Candace: Well, the answer is no. I think in our conversation we’ve already determined that I had an experience this morning where I was completely low vibe, miserable. Raging bitch is really what I was and still got inspiration and messages from Spirit.
Natalie: It’s not really about the vibe. It’s about ability to hear or ability to listen.
Candace: And openness. Not pinching yourself off.
Natalie: Yeah, because you think that you’re open but you’re grasping at it and that’s the wrong energy to get it with. It’s about allowing it in, not trying to take it.
Dani: Yeah.
Candace: Yes!
Dani: Allowing it in even when you’re feeling like shit. Okay, so that pulls us to the other part. I love when this happens.
Natalie: Of course.
Dani: That naturally pulls us to one of the first things that you brought up, Candace and you too Natalie, which is the pressure to be high vibe which is so that I can be in contact with Spirit. It’s also everywhere all the time. Like, “If I’m really an evolved person then I should be happy all the time.”
Candace: Yeah.
Dani: It lends itself back to that. I think the difference between pinching yourself off, like you were just saying, or not is that judgment. Am I judging how I’m feeling? That’s what pinches it off more than the actual feeling.
Candace: Yes.
Dani: Do you guys get that? Right?
Natalie: Say it again.
Dani: It just clicked in my brain. Maybe you guys have gotten it all along and I just went like, “Oh wow!” It’s not the feeling of frustration in the car the other day that pinched me off because obviously I felt frustrated but I still got messages and felt totally aligned because I wasn’t judging the fact that I was feeling frustrated. Maybe that’s part of the difference. I don’t know.
Candace: And I think, too, there has to be a willingness to do it differently. I very easily this morning could have chosen to stay in my anger and my frustration and my resentment but I knew that there was another way and I chose it. Even though in the moment in choosing it, I wasn’t sure how I was going to pull myself out of that mood, I was open to it. There has to be the willingness.
Dani: I love it so much. Natalie, do you have anything to say because I’m busy writing down this quote. I knew there was another way and I chose it! Freaking exclamation point.
Natalie: I was gonna say something to do with the judgment, about the pressure to be high vibe.
Candace: Judging your feelings when you’re maybe feeling negative emotions…
Natalie: No, I remember what it was gonna be. It’s not really related but there we go. It was to do with… Actually it’s funny because the more evolved or “awakened” I become, I don’t know if in many ways my vibe is diminishing. I don’t know. It’s two things. I feel like me and Dani have talked before like when you start on this sort of journey, the speed at which you travel is so fast so that when you hit a tree it freaking hurts. Whereas slower you can just bump it off and get back on your bike. Whereas you can’t do that so when it hits you… It’s whether what you’re dealing with now actually really matters or whether when you’re so used to be so high vibe when it hits you as a low, it feels really low. So maybe my vibe isn’t diminishing. I’m more high vibe but when I’m low, I’m lower than I would have been historically. I said to Dani before, “Would it not be better to live a life of “meh”?” To trundle along and not have to deal with the…ugh. But that’s what it is. That just goes back to “Do you need high vibe all the time?” The answer is no because if you were, then it wouldn’t be this. That wouldn’t be this journey. So, if you’re coming into this journey to be high vibe all the time, turn around. Retreat while you can.
Dani: I think that’s so beautiful. Go ahead, Candace.
Candace: I was just gonna say… So you were saying that now you think that you are lower vibe when you’re low and I don’t know if that’s real. I don’t know, I’m not you. I’m not gonna speak for you but I know for myself, it feels that way but I see the evidence that it’s not true.
Natalie: Yeah.
Candace: It feels so low because my new high is so much higher.
Natalie: That’s true. Exactly.
Candace: But my low is actually above where it used to be.
Natalie: Yeah. We’ve said that before. I can remember. I’ve had conversations with Dani before and she’s like “I’m so low vibe today” but actually, not really. When you say it you’re like, no. In the grand scheme of things, I’m probably higher than most right now but it feels bad.
Dani: Yeah, it’s so true. It’s a matter of perspective. Here’s another thing that goes along with that, you guys. I’m so happy this is coming up. I think, too, that as we get higher and higher vibe… When Natalie was talking about being more “awakened”, she used quotes. So, I just wanna keep in mind if somebody’s listening, she’s not like “Now that I’m more awakened”…
Natalie: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Dani: She’s using air quotes.
Natalie: Thank you for clarifying.
Dani: Just assume from this point forward, any time we talk about high brow shit like that, we’re using quotation marks. It’s so cute. What I was gonna say, what I really love is I believe that as we go along this journey, I know that for me, my tolerance, my ability to put up with bullshit, my ability to put up with stuff that doesn’t work for me, has diminished. I’m telling you at the power, at the height of my dysfunctional life and codependency and all that, my tolerance for bullshit was off-the-charts high. I could tolerate so much shit and the less I started to tolerate, the better my life got. There’s a famous quote. “We don’t get what we deserve, we get what we tolerate.”
We get what we tolerate! What’s the lowest that I’m actually willing to tolerate? That’s what we’re gonna get. That’s our sign from the universe. I think that’s part of what you were saying, Natalie, is that kind of thing. I have a daughter who’s 19, almost 20, and she’s going through all this angst. What I see her doing is trying to make the bullshit of her life, which the job she’s had too long, the school she’s outgrown, the major she doesn’t love anymore, she’s trying to make all those things okay because she’s trying to make all this shit that she’s already grown out of, she’s trying to stay in that shell and stay there. That’s what’s uncomfortable. She’s trying to tell herself there’s something wrong with her. “Why do I need so much sleep?” “Why am I so low vibe?” It has everything to do with… She’s outgrown living here at home. She’s outgrown her friends. She’s literally moving so fast. She’s outgrown everything and then she’s trying to make herself comfortable back in that little shell.
Candace: I think we all do that. I know I certainly do and have for a long time. A really long time.
Dani: I love that. I’m like, “how are we doing that?” How are we doing that right now?
Candace: And how do you not do that? I think the thing that keeps you doing it and keeps you in that cycle is the fear. You know, living from a place of fear. Fear of change, fear of loss, just fear.
Dani: I’m gonna quote a master really quick. Here’s how you get out of it. “I knew there was another way and I chose it.” I read it in some masterful book two-thousand years ago and I think that’s what it is.
Candace: That’s awesome. So, that’s how you get out.
Natalie: You choose it.
Dani: Yeah, and you’re right. That’s what comes up is the fear. Right? What would she really do? She would be moving to Colorado or she would be moving to California right now, my daughter. I’m speaking for her. I hope she doesn’t mind. I’ll have to talk to her about it after the podcast and make sure. If she was really doing what she knew she wanted to do, she would be in Colorado or she would be in California. She’s traveling in Spain all summer so I feel like after that there’s no way in hell she’s gonna come back here and live inside this box anymore. I feel like it’s gonna open her up enough where she’s gonna be like, “Okay, the fear of doing the new is no longer stronger than the uncomfortableness of staying put.” That’s the whole thing, right? Where are you on the equation? Natalie, you have that beautiful bridge analogy. Do you wanna? Which I love so much.
Natalie: I think you actually gave me the bridge. Haha, I think that’s your analogy. It just depends on where people are on the bridge. Whether they’re halfway across and you meet them there or at the other side of the bridge and they’re not ready for it. I guess it’s fear at one side of the bridge and choice at the other side of the bridge.
Dani: Yeah. Choice and faith. It’s funny though, Natalie, because the whole bridge thing is yours and mine and I think the whole trust to fear thing is. I think we’re so often vibing on the same things at the same time because we have so many parallel / same thoughts going on all the time.
Natalie: Twinnies.
Dani: We’re triplets. We didn’t even know we were triplets! Awesome. Okay, guys. Do you have any closing remarks? Do you have anything else to say before we close another session?
Natalie: I wanna say that when the three of us get together… Before we got on this call, I was relatively- Not low vibe. I’m not gonna use the word low vibe. I was just not my highest vibe. Then I come in here and honestly I feel like I don’t know if it’s Spirit that does it but as soon as I got on the call, it was literally like… I feel fuzzy.
Candace: Yeah.
Natalie: That easy. Can we just do this everyday?
Dani: Yes! Can we?
Candace: I’m down.
Dani: Natalie, you’re the only one with all kinds of shit going on.
Natalie: Don’t book via my scheduler
Dani: So cute. Okay, love you guys. Are we actually ending? I feel like I don’t wanna get off the phone. I don’t wanna get off the call but at the same time-
Candace: You hang up first.
Dani: No, you. No, you hang up first!